Music in videos

Revids

Active member
I'd like to discuss and get some clarification on when music is allowed to be used in Rumble videos and when it is not please. Input by Rumble staff and fellow creators is always appreciated.

I think in general, music is used in videos on Rumble in these 3 ways:

1) Background music that is not intended to be in the video, or not a focus of the video, due to TV/Radio/Stereo being on at the time of recording the video.
2) Background music that has deliberately been edited onto the video to either provide a more pleasurable viewing experience or to enhance the video in some way.
3) Music that is playing whilst the video is being recorded, but is clearly a main focus of the video due to people singing, dancing, miming etc along to the music.

Here's a few examples:

This video created by the Rumble oracle himself Mr @DavidMcNab ;) and this video are both using music like point 2 above. So either the creators have made this music themselves or I'm guessing they've downloaded it from a website that specialises in royalty free music, like Epidemic Sound for example, that provides 'Music subscriptions for content creators. Covered for social media, online platforms and websites", but this costs a monthly fee depending on how the music is to be used, which can get quite expensive depending on the pricing subscription used. Or a website that provides Royalty free music like Incompetech where licences can be purchased on a song by song basis, because as far as I understand it, Creative Commons (which is free) doesn't cover music for being licenced by companies like Rumble.

This video has music which I believe has been edited in over the baby headbanging, like point 2 above, (as it's far too clear for being recorded at the same time, as the video's title is trying to suggest), but is Kid Rock's 'Bawitdaba' song. How has the original creator of this video got the legal rights to have this famous song used on a video licenced by a 3rd party like Rumble?

This video is a perfect example of point 3. This video uses 'Culture Club - Karma Chameleon' as a main focus in the video. How has the original creator of this video got the legal rights to have this famous song used on a video licenced by a 3rd party like Rumble?

I don't have any examples for point 1, as I don't have the time to trawl through videos looking, but it's very self-explanatory and there are definitely videos where this happens.

So if someone is able to help clarify if the way the music is used, like each point above, affects whether it can be used on Rumble videos and also how the examples above have used music and how they are monetisable by being licenced by Rumble, would be much appreciated.

The reason I ask is because I'm considering using music in my videos in the future (or uploading videos with music already in them) and I want to make sure it's used properly and appropriately for this platform so that there are no issues when uploading videos with music in them, in any of the 3 ways described above.

Thanks for your help fellow Rumblers (y)
 

Revids

Active member
Great questions.
Thanks David. Are you able to confirm where your music comes from that you use in your videos that Rumble gives full distribution to?

Great post @Revids ! I would add the question that always comes up: Music from YouTubes audio library. Can you, can't you use it?
Personally I don't use it, as I want to be sure everything in a video is mine, but many do use it and need clarification.
Great point! I forgot about the Youtube Audio Library. As far as I understand it (I'm no expert though) I would say music from this Library can't be used in Rumble videos because this music has been provided to Youtube to use in their library for their content creators only. If the Rumble video were only shared on Youtube, then it would be fine to use it, but because these videos are also distributed by Rumble across their platform and possibly other platforms, then I would imagine this goes outside of what the Youtube terms of service would allow. Also, a lot of the music in the Youtube Audio Library requires that attribution is given to the artist in the description of the video. This obviously doesn't happen with Rumble videos. I would love to be corrected on this if I'm mistaken. If confirmation that we can use any music from the Youtube Audio Library (even if it's only the tracks which don't require attribution) would be welcome news to a lot of Rumblers I'm sure. Maybe Rumble could ask their contacts at Youtube for an official answer on this? How great would that be, a yes or no to end all the confusion!

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the music in Rumble videos is used from the Youtube Audio Library, but I would be very surprised if the creators actually have the legal rights to do this on 3rd party licenced videos. Maybe Rumble knows this, but is willing to take the risk because it very rarely becomes an issue 🤷‍♂️

Also I've been looking at the music subscription services like the ones that I mentioned in my original post and it looks like individual licences wouldn't cover Rumble distributing the videos either, they'd need Enterprise/Business licences which can get very expensive. Some sites don't even provide prices for these, you have to email for a personalised quote, ouch! Maybe Rumble could have a business licence that would allow all it's users access to a database of music they could use in their videos. Now that would be the best outcome any of us could wish for I'm sure :cool: (might cost Rumble a bob or two though)
 

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DavidMcNab

Trustworthy Member
I found once that the license free music from YouTube suddenly had a copyright.
There are music pieces that require no attribution. It is my understanding that there are no limits on use.
I think sometimes that asking too many of these questions causes complications ;)
 

sloggervlogger

Well-known member
Thanks David. Are you able to confirm where your music comes from that you use in your videos that Rumble gives full distribution to?



Great point! I forgot about the Youtube Audio Library. As far as I understand it (I'm no expert though) I would say music from this Library can't be used in Rumble videos because this music has been provided to Youtube to use in their library for their content creators only. If the Rumble video were only shared on Youtube, then it would be fine to use it, but because these videos are also distributed by Rumble across their platform and possibly other platforms, then I would imagine this goes outside of what the Youtube terms of service would allow. Also, a lot of the music in the Youtube Audio Library requires that attribution is given to the artist in the description of the video. This obviously doesn't happen with Rumble videos. I would love to be corrected on this if I'm mistaken. If confirmation that we can use any music from the Youtube Audio Library (even if it's only the tracks which don't require attribution) would be welcome news to a lot of Rumblers I'm sure. Maybe Rumble could ask their contacts at Youtube for an official answer on this? How great would that be, a yes or no to end all the confusion!

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the music in Rumble videos is used from the Youtube Audio Library, but I would be very surprised if the creators actually have the legal rights to do this on 3rd party licenced videos. Maybe Rumble knows this, but is willing to take the risk because it very rarely becomes an issue 🤷‍♂️

Also I've been looking at the music subscription services like the ones that I mentioned in my original post and it looks like individual licences wouldn't cover Rumble distributing the videos either, they'd need Enterprise/Business licences which can get very expensive. Some sites don't even provide prices for these, you have to email for a personalised quote, ouch! Maybe Rumble could have a business licence that would allow all it's users access to a database of music they could use in their videos. Now that would be the best outcome any of us could wish for I'm sure :cool: (might cost Rumble a bob or two though)
Exactly, that was always my point as well, but many creators don't seem to understand that. YouTube music is for YouTube and you can't sell it and that's what you do with Rumble and same goes for other music sites. Just because you buy a song, doesn't give you the right to resell it. A special licence is needed for that. It's the same with photography that I do, just because someone buys my images, doesn't mean they can make some more copies and resell it.
 

sloggervlogger

Well-known member
I found once that the license free music from YouTube suddenly had a copyright.
There are music pieces that require no attribution. It is my understanding that there are no limits on use.
I think sometimes that asking too many of these questions causes complications ;)
David just because "There are music pieces that require no attribution. " It doesn't mean you can sell it. You know how many people try to sell videos that they haven't filmed on Rumble because they think the video is free for all and can do what they like, but they can't. Why should it be any different for music? Royalty-Free doesn't mean you can sell it. Not even mentioning the music sites that distribute royalty-free music that aren't even royalty-free. There aren't that many questions to Rumble either, just a summary of what the creator can and can't do regarding music would be helpful.
 

DavidMcNab

Trustworthy Member
David just because "There are music pieces that require no attribution. " It doesn't mean you can sell it. You know how many people try to sell videos that they haven't filmed on Rumble because they think the video is free for all and can do what they like, but they can't. Why should it be any different for music? Royalty-Free doesn't mean you can sell it. Not even mentioning the music sites that distribute royalty-free music that aren't even royalty-free. There aren't that many questions to Rumble either, just a summary of what the creator can and can't do regarding music would be helpful.
This seems like more focus on somebody else's channel here than somebody's own.
 

DavidMcNab

Trustworthy Member
You lost me David. I don't know what you mean. I didn't focus on anybody's channel. I was talking generally as it isn't the first time this question came up.
If you reread the thread, maybe you will see what I mean. It seemed like it started about my use of music, and that of other content creators. Then it became about YouTube rules.
I've tried for a while to offer up whatever I have learned so that others can do the same as I have done. I don't worry about what others are doing. But this is far from the first time that others have seemed worried about what I was doing.
 

SandyMayaMatzen

New member
Great question as this is an important topic to understand fully. I use music in my videos and I agree that youtube music is only meant to be used when creating your videos for youtube, I believe it is even mentioned in their T&C's. I have music included in the software I use ( Movavi ) to edit and have a business license which covers commercial use.
 

sloggervlogger

Well-known member
If you reread the thread, maybe you will see what I mean. It seemed like it started about my use of music, and that of other content creators. Then it became about YouTube rules.
I've tried for a while to offer up whatever I have learned so that others can do the same as I have done. I don't worry about what others are doing. But this is far from the first time that others have seemed worried about what I was doing.
I didn't have a clue about your music. I was talking in general terms about copyright and a subject that was of interest. When I said "It doesn't mean you can sell it" I didn't mean you personally, I meant it as a whole.
 

Ampman

New member
I have two music vids on Rumble now that feature me performing various covers. Didn't consider one way or the other if appropriate because they are from my original recordings! I play guitar and sing.
 

BenW

Trustworthy Member
I have two music vids on Rumble now that feature me performing various covers. Didn't consider one way or the other if appropriate because they are from my original recordings! I play guitar and sing.
Sounds great, well performed. Did Rumble accept the videos for profit sharing?
 

Revids

Active member
Just seen this video, which has been put in the Viral section, so is monetized and I'm assuming it will have gone through the copyright checks, yet the music is JP Saxe - If the world was ending. I'm really confused as to how this is monetizable content with this music playing. Anyone have any ideas?

*Edit - So the video even went onto the Rumble Viral Youtube page and by the looks of it the video got claimed by the music company, so they had to mute the audio. So this would suggest that music can't be used on the video and be monetised, yet it's still hosted on the Rumble site with full audio. So confused o_O
 
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RebeccaStout

Active member
I would love to see those questions answered. Some of this has been discussed, but I'm still always left with doubt.

From what I understands, certain licensing rules state that you can monetize Royalty Free music, not just use it for personal or public unmonetized uses. Their are certain copyright types/licenses that identify the piece as to whether you are able to monetize or not and if you have to give attribution and more. Under those laws, I believe some of the YouTube music is allowed to be monetized outside of YouTube, even without attribution. I and so many other creators need to know these things for sure.

The copyright issue has been brought up here in regards to the YouTube Audio Library many times and I see some people say it's okay and others not. I'd like a definitive answer. I NEED a definitive answer. I know not all music in that library is created only for YouTube, but comes from people who share it from their own sites for outside use.

We need answers about this YouTube library issue. And some of us need music that we can add to our videos and monetize. True free music... no subscriptions for a website needed.
 

chrisrumble

Administrator
Staff member
I would love to see those questions answered. Some of this has been discussed, but I'm still always left with doubt.

From what I understands, certain licensing rules state that you can monetize Royalty Free music, not just use it for personal or public unmonetized uses. Their are certain copyright types/licenses that identify the piece as to whether you are able to monetize or not and if you have to give attribution and more. Under those laws, I believe some of the YouTube music is allowed to be monetized outside of YouTube, even without attribution. I and so many other creators need to know these things for sure.

The copyright issue has been brought up here in regards to the YouTube Audio Library many times and I see some people say it's okay and others not. I'd like a definitive answer. I NEED a definitive answer. I know not all music in that library is created only for YouTube, but comes from people who share it from their own sites for outside use.

We need answers about this YouTube library issue. And some of us need music that we can add to our videos and monetize. True free music... no subscriptions for a website needed.

We really can't comment on how YouTube handles music. The only thing we can say is, try to keep background and all music out of your videos, especially if you do not have a license for it. Eventually it will be claimed by the music studio and you'll get no revenue for it, as are in the example pointed out.
 
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