Has anyone noticed their promoted videos are going on Rumble YouTube, not Rumble VIRAL YouTube?

winkeldinkel

Well-known member
#21
Yes, huge difference in views. The Editorial team can do what they like but we still need to be able to accept or decline when offered limited and I am just not getting those emails with the link. Also, when I was given 3 promotions recently I did not get the normal congratulatory standard email either. I get the rumble newsletter and a few notifications from this forum and that's it. I check my spam folder daily. I have not changed my email since joining this site so this indicates some kind of glitch. I too am grateful for what I have earned because it's still a hell of a lot better than what you can make on YouTube by yourself which is usually peanuts for most people. Rumble has even helped me pay some of my property taxes. lol
 
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Mario

Creator Support Team
Staff member
#22
Yes, huge difference in views. The Editorial team can do what they like but we still need to be able to accept or decline when offered limited and I am just not getting those emails with the link. Also, when I was given 3 promotions recently I did not get the normal congratulatory standard email either. I get the rumble newsletter and a few notifications from this forum and that's it. I check my spam folder daily. I have not changed my email since joining this site so this indicates some kind of glitch. I too am grateful for what I have earned because it's still a hell of a lot better than what you can make on YouTube by yourself which is usually peanuts for most people. Rumble has even helped me pay some of my property taxes. lol
The email issue is currently being resolved. It should be back to normal shortly.
 

Mario

Creator Support Team
Staff member
#25
Hi everyone,

I understand the reasoning behind some of the frustration some of you are experiencing, but in reality not every video automatically fits our distribution strategy on every site and platform online.

We know you want your videos to get as many views as possible, Trust me, we understand that because we want the exact same thing. Who doesn't want their video to make a couple thousand dollars immediately after uploading it?

Unfortunately it just can't happen, the same reason not everyone can be an astronaut is the same reason not every video can be distributed to the extreme every time they're accepted for full distribution. If every video is given the top there's no top.

I would love to tell you all how our internal mechanics and strategies work but it can't happen, that's our secret recipe and we can't put it out there so it can be replicated by everyone other site.

Truth is that our industry is very hard to navigate, one with very small margins and an insanely large amount of hurdles, 2018 was one of if not the hardest year for sites like Rumble, and we saw many partners and competitors go out of business. Luckily we didn't just survived without cutting corners or shrinking our creator's share of the profits, but we actually improved on many fronts because we were forced to streamline processes that we thought we already nearly impossible to perfect.

Consider the impact of shrinking markets, altered viewer tastes; purchase tendencies that completely turn marketing strategies on their heads. The nature of ad delivery is changing not quarterly or even monthly. We are constantly adjusting our delivery, this sometimes means hourly adjustments to campaigns that 2-3 years ago worked for weeks at a time. There's no resting on laurels here, we constantly try to be the best website a creator can deal with for distribution, but what works well today may not work at all tomorrow.

So, is it frustrating that your video didn't get put onto Rumble's viral YouTube channel or another platform you expected? yes, of course.

But it's not because we're keeping your content hidden from sight, it's because our strategy calls for using another video beside yours, or we don't believe the content would perform well. We don't shelve good content, that actually hurts us as much as you. We don't make money unless you do. That's the Rumble difference and why we created the site, we put the creator ahead of ourselves, that way it's not only in our best interest, but literally our priority to get the best content to be seen and shared and talked about by as many people as possible.

And while we can't tell you exactly how our whole distribution strategy works, we ask you you trust that we are doing the best.
Our strategy isn't flawless, but we have some of the best people in the industry working to make it as good as it can possibly be. You come to us because of what we can do for you, let us show you!
 

Tripwire

Well-known member
#26
Hi everyone,

I understand the reasoning behind some of the frustration some of you are experiencing, but in reality not every video automatically fits our distribution strategy on every site and platform online.

We know you want your videos to get as many views as possible, Trust me, we understand that because we want the exact same thing. Who doesn't want their video to make a couple thousand dollars immediately after uploading it?

Unfortunately it just can't happen, the same reason not everyone can be an astronaut is the same reason not every video can be distributed to the extreme every time they're accepted for full distribution. If every video is given the top there's no top.

I would love to tell you all how our internal mechanics and strategies work but it can't happen, that's our secret recipe and we can't put it out there so it can be replicated by everyone other site.

Truth is that our industry is very hard to navigate, one with very small margins and an insanely large amount of hurdles, 2018 was one of if not the hardest year for sites like Rumble, and we saw many partners and competitors go out of business. Luckily we didn't just survived without cutting corners or shrinking our creator's share of the profits, but we actually improved on many fronts because we were forced to streamline processes that we thought we already nearly impossible to perfect.

Consider the impact of shrinking markets, altered viewer tastes; purchase tendencies that completely turn marketing strategies on their heads. The nature of ad delivery is changing not quarterly or even monthly. We are constantly adjusting our delivery, this sometimes means hourly adjustments to campaigns that 2-3 years ago worked for weeks at a time. There's no resting on laurels here, we constantly try to be the best website a creator can deal with for distribution, but what works well today may not work at all tomorrow.

So, is it frustrating that your video didn't get put onto Rumble's viral YouTube channel or another platform you expected? yes, of course.

But it's not because we're keeping your content hidden from sight, it's because our strategy calls for using another video beside yours, or we don't believe the content would perform well. We don't shelve good content, that actually hurts us as much as you. We don't make money unless you do. That's the Rumble difference and why we created the site, we put the creator ahead of ourselves, that way it's not only in our best interest, but literally our priority to get the best content to be seen and shared and talked about by as many people as possible.

And while we can't tell you exactly how our whole distribution strategy works, we ask you you trust that we are doing the best.
Our strategy isn't flawless, but we have some of the best people in the industry working to make it as good as it can possibly be. You come to us because of what we can do for you, let us show you!
Hi Mario thank you for your reply, I fully understand what you are saying and I totally get it , but what I don't understand is if you don't believe a video fits your platform then why except it for full distribution ? If you feel a video is not right for Rumble and feel you cannot promote it on the viral you tube channel then it should be accepted for limited only Surely? . By accepting it for full distribution tells me you think it will do well or is( already doing extremely well in my case) then it should go on the viral you tube page,and by not doing I think is extremely unfair How would this benefit me, or anybody else for that matter, by accepting a video for full and not promoting it ??? I cannot see a upside to that for myself or others at all ! if there is one I would love to know what it is, I am a big fan of Rumble so don't think I am complaining, but surely you can see where i'm coming from I make a lot of money on this video and others too, so therefore Rumble also make money from that video. All I am asking for really is that you look at this situation again. I don't think this is a fair to accept a video for full then not promote it. I do understand you are a business and you have to make some tough decisions but I believe if you take a video for full distribution then that is what it should be. I and many others have effectively had a video accepted for full distribution but given it limited really. This is not right or fair on all creators like myself. I think Rumble needs to look at this from a creator point of view. Maybe it is just me, and no one else is bothered but it does bother me and probably others who don't really want to say anything after all you help people make money from their videos I am not a greedy person and I am happy to share profits with Rumble, but if something doesn't feel right I will say so, and this doesn't feel right.
 
#29
Just to put other thought out there...its not bad that they are promoting the 2nd page...ive done this multiple times on instagram i have 20k accts and then made a second that has 16k and now made a third and have others....its a process but its smart long term strategy. Im reaching ppl that might not prefer some of my content but like other parts. Idk, im new here but not new to uploading. Its good to plan ahead of something happening or changes that get made. They always do, and usually it makes it harder for creators to be seen. Just take youtube changed last year or facebook buying out instagram...they monetize it for themselves and even took away the feature for a post to go live and now want ppl to buy ads to be seen. I get why ppl are upset but wow, how cool would two 800k accts be. There are sooo many creators out there, perhaps this is just planning ahead because its no fun either if nothing gets approved because so many creators go to rumble. Just upload...itll work itself out. Its nice they do the bonus to perhaps help offset this.
 

Mario

Creator Support Team
Staff member
#30
Hi Mario thank you for your reply, I fully understand what you are saying and I totally get it , but what I don't understand is if you don't believe a video fits your platform then why except it for full distribution ? If you feel a video is not right for Rumble and feel you cannot promote it on the viral you tube channel then it should be accepted for limited only Surely? . By accepting it for full distribution tells me you think it will do well or is( already doing extremely well in my case) then it should go on the viral you tube page,and by not doing I think is extremely unfair How would this benefit me, or anybody else for that matter, by accepting a video for full and not promoting it ??? I cannot see a upside to that for myself or others at all ! if there is one I would love to know what it is, I am a big fan of Rumble so don't think I am complaining, but surely you can see where i'm coming from I make a lot of money on this video and others too, so therefore Rumble also make money from that video. All I am asking for really is that you look at this situation again. I don't think this is a fair to accept a video for full then not promote it. I do understand you are a business and you have to make some tough decisions but I believe if you take a video for full distribution then that is what it should be. I and many others have effectively had a video accepted for full distribution but given it limited really. This is not right or fair on all creators like myself. I think Rumble needs to look at this from a creator point of view. Maybe it is just me, and no one else is bothered but it does bother me and probably others who don't really want to say anything after all you help people make money from their videos I am not a greedy person and I am happy to share profits with Rumble, but if something doesn't feel right I will say so, and this doesn't feel right.
I can't speak for any one video in particular but a simple answer is that in a case like this we're choosing to get our views via the platforms that have the highest CPM, most likely 3rd parties.

If we only have a chance at getting 100k views for example, we rather have those in Rumble, then (certain)* 3rd party partners, then lastly YouTube. YouTube may be alluring given that we have so many subscribers, but the CPM is probably a tenth as Rumble's, so it takes 10 times as many views to get the same earnings. If you we can make a $5 CPM vs a $0.50 CPM, we're are most likely not going to cannibalize our own views, since we can always get long terms views from YT.

In the future if you get full distribution and you disagree with our approach to distribution, I invite you to send me an email to support and I can forward it to the editorial team. For now, I can't speak to any changes to the way they approach distribution, but I've shared this thread with them.

* added for further clarification.
 

Tripwire

Well-known member
#31
I can't speak for any one video in particular but a simple answer is that in a case like this we're choosing to get our views via the platforms that have the highest CPM, most likely 3rd parties.

If we only have a chance at getting 100k views for example, we rather have those in Rumble, then 3rd parties, than lastly YouTube. YouTube may be alluring given that we have so many subscribers, but the CPM is probably a tenth as Rumble's, so it takes 10 times as many views to get the same earnings. If you we can make a $5 CPM vs a $0.50 CPM, we're are most likely not going to cannibalize our own views, since we can always get long terms views from YT.

In the future if you get full distribution and you disagree with our approach to distribution, I invite you to send me an email to support and I can forward it to the editorial team. For now, I can't speak to any changes to the way they approach distribution, but I've shared this thread with them.
Thanks for your timely response @Mario appreciated, and I would agree with you if that was the case but it is not I would much rather have exposure to you tube rumble viral than rumble itself, nothing against Rumble like I said I'm a big fan but the views on rumble are nothing against you tube views, and payments are the same, if you look at what I have earned on you tube on this site, its over 20 thousand dollars and rumble viral views less than 10 percent of that so the figures speak for themselves.......Then you have put third parties in as your second choice over you tube??? Why? this really baffles me as my cpm has been 000.05 cents the whole time ? You tube is certainly above third parties ? I am not trying to cause trouble or stir anything up all I was saying is that surely if you are offered full distribution that is what we all should receive. That is what we are led to believe we are getting, its like making a false promise saying ok you upload your video, we will take a look, if we think its ok we will put it on our viral channel...... then you don't . ..... That then makes limited distribution not really a thing because again that's the same apart from if you think your video is better than Rumble thinks it is, then we can always say well actually no i'm not going to accept your offer thanks but no thanks, I will try else where. By doing this Rumble has the best of both worlds and the creator loses out see Rumble accepts your videos for full but does not promote it (creator can not do anything about it because now your video, is now rumbles ) Forever!! Please do not take this as a dig at Rumble , it is not. I am always willing to hear a different point of view, if anyone feels im wrong on this ? .Thanks.
 
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DavidMcNab

Well-known member
#32
This has been an interesting discussion. I appreciate all the input, and the answers from Mario. Initially, I was mostly interested to see if there was an error or if it was a change. For me, that seems to be answered, and although I'd like to know exactly how it works, I do realize Mario and the gang can't give us the top secret info.
For me, the process is very simple. My YouTube channel is feeble and I've never found any platform that compares to Rumble. I upload and hope for promotion, but even if I miss the mark and get Limited Distribution, there's no better option. By the time I get my notification, I'm already editing the next three videos. It's the long term average that works for me. I speak to people with viral videos regularly. I ask them about their earnings and then, of course, I tell them how Rumble works and ask if they did better with some of the others. I don't think any of them have done nearly as well, but they often just want a fast and sure payout. I've yet to hear anyone say there's a platform with a commission like Rumble's.
Tripwire and SloggerVlogger are great examples of how it can be more complicated though. They have strong channels and a chance at earnings on their own. People in this position have a decision to make: accept the deal and grant license to Rumble, or try on their own channel. It's far more complicated than my situation.
When I had been with Rumble for five months I was in Mexico. I remember watching the Rumble Viral YouTube subscribers growing, but that was May 2016 and they had only 125,000. I'm thrilled to see it now closing quickly on one million. And for me, the earnings have been growing from that source.
Naturally, we all want to maximize our chances at getting on the Viral channel. Same with the top earner or editor's picks. And we're all asking ourselves and each other how to increase our odds of great promotion and big earnings. Understanding the Rumble machine is crucial to understanding what we did right, what we did wrong, and what we need to do in the future. I know we're putting Mario on the spot.
Maybe an easier way to get the answers that we need is to ask: What can we do to give Rumble the most marketable content and the best amount of material to chose from? We are like shareholders in the company if you consider that our earnings are directly tied in with Rumble's.
Regular tips and suggestions would sharpen our submissions and make us all feel like we aren't guessing so much. And from our end, frequent uploads of our best content is the smartest thing we can do.
I also ask: What can we do to help market Rumble and make the platform more successful?
I've dropped in at the Rumble office and met almost everyone. I can assure you they know their creators and the work we do. We will never find a platform with this same personal sense of community and team spirit.
I think a team approach to meeting the challenges ahead is our best option now.
 

Tripwire

Well-known member
#33
This has been an interesting discussion. I appreciate all the input, and the answers from Mario. Initially, I was mostly interested to see if there was an error or if it was a change. For me, that seems to be answered, and although I'd like to know exactly how it works, I do realize Mario and the gang can't give us the top secret info.
For me, the process is very simple. My YouTube channel is feeble and I've never found any platform that compares to Rumble. I upload and hope for promotion, but even if I miss the mark and get Limited Distribution, there's no better option. By the time I get my notification, I'm already editing the next three videos. It's the long term average that works for me. I speak to people with viral videos regularly. I ask them about their earnings and then, of course, I tell them how Rumble works and ask if they did better with some of the others. I don't think any of them have done nearly as well, but they often just want a fast and sure payout. I've yet to hear anyone say there's a platform with a commission like Rumble's.
Tripwire and SloggerVlogger are great examples of how it can be more complicated though. They have strong channels and a chance at earnings on their own. People in this position have a decision to make: accept the deal and grant license to Rumble, or try on their own channel. It's far more complicated than my situation.
When I had been with Rumble for five months I was in Mexico. I remember watching the Rumble Viral YouTube subscribers growing, but that was May 2016 and they had only 125,000. I'm thrilled to see it now closing quickly on one million. And for me, the earnings have been growing from that source.
Naturally, we all want to maximize our chances at getting on the Viral channel. Same with the top earner or editor's picks. And we're all asking ourselves and each other how to increase our odds of great promotion and big earnings. Understanding the Rumble machine is crucial to understanding what we did right, what we did wrong, and what we need to do in the future. I know we're putting Mario on the spot.
Maybe an easier way to get the answers that we need is to ask: What can we do to give Rumble the most marketable content and the best amount of material to chose from? We are like shareholders in the company if you consider that our earnings are directly tied in with Rumble's.
Regular tips and suggestions would sharpen our submissions and make us all feel like we aren't guessing so much. And from our end, frequent uploads of our best content is the smartest thing we can do.
I also ask: What can we do to help market Rumble and make the platform more successful?
I've dropped in at the Rumble office and met almost everyone. I can assure you they know their creators and the work we do. We will never find a platform with this same personal sense of community and team spirit.
I think a team approach to meeting the challenges ahead is our best option now.
Yes I agree David and I don't want to keep droning on either but what I say still stands and although no one has really said I think they must feel the same, I'm not really bothered about my video personally but I do think it is the right thing to do, is honour what is stated, what is in the contract between creator and rumble. For some people this is their livelihood and not being put on the front page when their video is good could mean their income is greatly reduced and that would be very sad to see that creators are not getting rewarded for their great content .
 

DavidMcNab

Well-known member
#34
Yes I agree David and I don't want to keep droning on either but what I say still stands and although no one has really said I think they must feel the same, I'm not really bothered about my video personally but I do think it is the right thing to do, is honour what is stated, what is in the contract between creator and rumble. For some people this is their livelihood and not being put on the front page when their video is good could mean their income is greatly reduced and that would be very sad to see that creators are not getting rewarded for their great content .
Absolutely. And that part is true for me as well. Unlike you, my YouTube channel can't compete. You have an amazing following. But this is now an income for me too and I couldn't agree more.
 

BenW

Well-known member
#35
Thanks for your timely response @Mario appreciated, and I would agree with you if that was the case but it is not I would much rather have exposure to you tube rumble viral than rumble itself, nothing against Rumble like I said I'm a big fan but the views on rumble are nothing against you tube views, and payments are the same, if you look at what I have earned on you tube on this site, its over 20 thousand dollars and rumble viral views less than 10 percent of that so the figures speak for themselves.......Then you have put third parties in as your second choice over you tube??? Why? this really baffles me as my cpm has been 000.05 cents the whole time ? You tube is certainly above third parties ? I am not trying to cause trouble or stir anything up all I was saying is that surely if you are offered full distribution that is what we all should receive. That is what we are led to believe we are getting, its like making a false promise saying ok you upload your video, we will take a look, if we think its ok we will put it on our viral channel...... then you don't . ..... That then makes limited distribution not really a thing because again that's the same apart from if you think your video is better than Rumble thinks it is, then we can always say well actually no i'm not going to accept your offer thanks but no thanks, I will try else where. By doing this Rumble has the best of both worlds and the creator loses out see Rumble accepts your videos for full but does not promote it (creator can not do anything about it because now your video, is now rumbles ) Forever!! Please do not take this as a dig at Rumble , it is not. I am always willing to hear a different point wof view, if anyone feels im wrong on this ? .Thanks.
I think you are right on this. Full distribution means promotion on Rumble Viral YouTube and third parties like it was, otherwise the distribution is limited. I don't earn a lot with Rumble, but it is nice to receive some pocket money. My best earnings are of two videos on my own YouTube channel monetized by Rumble although I don't have many subscribers. Before I started here on Rumble some 4,5 years ago I didn't earn money on YouTube, so the step to Rumble was good. I'm very happy the way Rumble try to make money out of our videos, but in this case I agree with your point of view.
 

BenW

Well-known member
#36
I think you are right on this. Full distribution means promotion on Rumble Viral YouTube and third parties like it was, otherwise the distribution is limited. I don't earn a lot with Rumble, but it is nice to receive some pocket money. My best earnings are of two videos on my own YouTube channel monetized by Rumble although I don't have many subscribers. Before I started here on Rumble some 4,5 years ago I didn't earn money on YouTube, so the step to Rumble was good. I'm very happy the way Rumble try to make money out of our videos, but in this case I agree with your point of view.
I meant not only try to make money, but actually makes money out of our videos.
 

Tripwire

Well-known member
#37
I think you are right on this. Full distribution means promotion on Rumble Viral YouTube and third parties like it was, otherwise the distribution is limited. I don't earn a lot with Rumble, but it is nice to receive some pocket money. My best earnings are of two videos on my own YouTube channel monetized by Rumble although I don't have many subscribers. Before I started here on Rumble some 4,5 years ago I didn't earn money on YouTube, so the step to Rumble was good. I'm very happy the way Rumble try to make money out of our videos, but in this case I agree with your point of view.
Thank you Ben for saying that, it does make me feel better knowing that you agree.
 

sloggervlogger

Well-known member
#38
I agree with you @Tripwire , so you're not alone! When you get full distribution, you'll expect it to be fully distributed. The full and limited option are one of many points why I choose Rumble. You get the chance to delete a video if it only gets limited, with other companies you don't get that choice. I think it should be the other way round, if a video is on limited distribution and actually does quite well, then put it on the Viral Rumble channel, but not the other way round full should mean full. If not all can be chosen to be on top, then why give it full in the first place? We respect the choice the Rumble staff makes, but please make that choice before so we got a choice as well.
 

Tripwire

Well-known member
#39
I agree with you @Tripwire , so you're not alone! When you get full distribution, you'll expect it to be fully distributed. The full and limited option are one of many points why I choose Rumble. You get the chance to delete a video if it only gets limited, with other companies you don't get that choice. I think it should be the other way round, if a video is on limited distribution and actually does quite well, then put it on the Viral Rumble channel, but not the other way round full should mean full. If not all can be chosen to be on top, then why give it full in the first place? We respect the choice the Rumble staff makes, but please make that choice before so we got a choice as well.
Yes, Exactly, Thanks Slogger!
 
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